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Welcome to HH224 MW 3:00-4:20 pm UCIrvine, afterhours. This blog is designed as a supplement to the Student Humanities Core Website (see links) and to Erin Trapp's generic eee website (which does importantly contain the course syllabus as a whole document, rather than in the blog's fragments). Final Exam: Monday December 10th, 4:00-6:00pm.
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Mary and Elizbeth are on such opposite sides of the spectrum as decorum goes, that Anne seems much more reasonable in comparison.
Mary and Elizabeth are not so different and not on opposite sides of the spectrum, but Anne is definitely a more appropriate middlde ground to the two extremes that are possible in this setting. Mary and Elizabeth both worry about their social status and how to climb the social ladder. Mary is self-centered and doesn't care for people other than herself. Elizabeth is vain and constantly worried about bettering herself not as a person but as a rank in society. She is also the last sister to remain unmarried in the end of the novel, perhaps showing Austen's dislike for people who think too highly of themselves, therefore giving her the most unfortunate ending (a single older woman) of the time. Just like the two evil step sisters in Cinderella, it probably is not necessary to have these personalities around to create an Anne but it probably helps. Anne sees her mother's personality and both of her sisters' and is able to choose who she wants to be. their extremely unattractive personalities show Anne what not to be. She not only has a personality which is a compromise or in the middle of the extreme spectrum, but is also the middle child, showing her ability to choose an intermediacy.
nice intermediate mention... also cinderella. if the sisters are opposite, it might not be overall, but perhaps in some senses? i like also the relation to the mother. does anyone have any thoughts on the significance of the mother? are mary and elizabeth believable characters (ie how could anne come from such a family (you might have reason to think this in relation to your own situations esp with holiday time...))?
I think that it goes back to some children tkae after the father and the others after the mother. Anne obviously takes after her mother and Mary and Elizabeth take after they're father. This could be because Elizabeth being the favorite of the father, and Mary being more liked than Anne, so since those are the sisters who would spend more time with they're father, they would act more like him.
It doesn't take a set of sisters like Mary and Elizabeth to create an Anne. It does help. Because Anne is around Mary and Elizabeth with their different personalities, Anne is able to take in being around them and is then shaped by her sisters. In a way, it seems like Anne is shaped by Lady Russell.
I agree with Stephanie that it doesn't take a set of sisters to create an Anne. Without Mary and Elizabeth, Anne would still be kind and well-mannered as the way her mother was. The fact that her sisters are rude and self-centered just allows us to focus in more on the kindness of Anne, even though that kindness is always there.
Though "an Anne" can occur in any household, in this case the two sisters, and also their father, play a large role in crafting Anne's character. Anne is extremely humble and meek because she has been surrounded by such dominating personalities, including Lady Russell. Because Anne is so often ignored and shunned, she shows great sympathy to those in similarly sad conditions, like her old school friend. She is also very adept at seeing the frivolous, vain, and contradictory elements of those around her, because she was given such fine examples of these excesses at home.
I pretty much agree with what everyone said regarding it not being necessary for Mary and Elizabeth to exist for Anne to exist, but that it helps. It's like with colors; white appears more vivid against black, just like Anne appears more likeable and "normal" when compared to Mary and Elizabeth. Anne might even be necessary for Mary and Elizabeth to exist, because without Anne, the breath of fresh air, this novel would be filled with frivolous, annoying, unpleasant characters, and probably wouldn't exist itself, haha.
i agree with what everyone said also. i don't understand why her likes anne the least. is it because he is least like him? well she cares about her family and offers to take care of her sister's kids so she can have a break.
I believe Anne is only partially a result of her sisters...Her kindness and caring is not a result of her sisters being rude or more like their father. She seems to be like her mother and the lack of fatherly attention and love prevents her from acquiring greed like her other sisters. As for why her father likes her the least, it is because she is so far from his personality that he rejects her kindness
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