Monday, November 19, 2007

Q 18

18. Most of these questions and most of the lecture material involve us in thinking with Austen. What might it mean to think against Austen?

7 comments:

tami said...

In lecture thinking with Austen is basically allying ourselves with her and believing that what she is telling us about the characters are the truth. To think against Austen would be to believe that she is purposely trying to tell us the wrong information so that we have a mental picture of a character that may not be true. Or just trying to understand the characters through their speech and ignore the narration that includes her point of view.

Anonymous said...

I also think this idea might tie in with the theme of irony that we have been talking about in the novel. When thinking with Austen, we are also thinking in the same line of thought that she is--that is, in an ironic way, seeing the things that she presents as irony as ironic. If we were to think against her, or not against her, but not "with" her, then we would not be aware of this irony and would probably not grasp a lot of the themes of the book. Thinking with her is sharing her mindset.

Anonymous said...

I think that thinking with Austen would be to agree with her perspectives on society, women's roles, behaviors, etc. that she discusses in her novels. I think that going against Austen would be to go against her views and beliefs of the concepts that she writes about. For example, Austen portrays many women to be ignorant and blinded by wealth, the weaker sex in a sense--taking a backseat to males, and preoccupied with gossip and nonsense. Whereas, those that would go against Austen believe women should hav equal rights as men, that women are characterized as headstrong, determined, and a major assest to society.

Erin Trapp said...

interesting thoughts--keep developing these... it might be interesting to think about "missing the irony" of jane austen. for example, if we missed the idea that she was critiquing something, then we would think that instead she really only had the narrow aspect of pushing forth the interests of the upperclass.

Anonymous said...

To think with Austen means to be aware of the irony in her text,and to be aware of her comments on how complex social manners are in the 18th century. To think with her also means to be able to determine characters used for satire. To think against Austen would to miss the irony and satire of the novel. If we did not see the irony of Sir Walter Elliot only reading books on baronetage, then we would think that Austen would not be criticizing the social rank and the mindset of upper class during that time period.

cindy said...

To think against Austen would be deny that the events in her story are, in fact, examples of irony, like we tried to do with the Alannis Morissette (sp) song. Like Monica said, this would cause us to miss many of the central themes and discourses in the plot.

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