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Welcome to HH224 MW 3:00-4:20 pm UCIrvine, afterhours. This blog is designed as a supplement to the Student Humanities Core Website (see links) and to Erin Trapp's generic eee website (which does importantly contain the course syllabus as a whole document, rather than in the blog's fragments). Final Exam: Monday December 10th, 4:00-6:00pm.
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- Toni Morrison, The Bluest Eye
- Handbook chapters 8,9,10,11 (narrative, compare/contrast, application, genre)
- Jane Austen, Persuasion
- Descartes, Meditations on First Philosophy
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- Theophrastus, "The Insincere Man" and "The Show Off" (reader 30-31)
- Aristotle, A New Aristotle Reader: Nicomachean Ethics (Bk I, chpts 4, 5, 7, 8, 13 and Bk II, chpts 1, 5, 6, 7)
- Sappho, poems (reader p 29)
- Aristotle, "On the Soul" (bk I, chpts 1,4; bk II, chpts 1, 2, 3, 4; bk III, chpts 4,7)
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- Bacon, preamble and preface to Novum Organum (reader)
- Aristotle, Rhetoric (reader)
- Aristotle, "On the Soul" (bk I, chpts 1,4; bk II, chpts 1, 2, 3, 4; bk III, chpts 4,7)
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"There she felt her own inferiority keenly. The disproportion in their fortune was nothing; it did not give her a moment's regret; but to have no family to receive and estimate him properly; nothing of respectibility, of harmony, of good-will to offer in return for all the worth and all the prompt welcome which met her in his brothes and sisters, was a source of as lively pain as her mind could well be sensible of..." Anne's one regret is that she can't give Wentworth a family with such harmony and responsibility that his family has.
I think this part of the novel makes the happy ending even happier...her family hasn't changed (they are still jerks), bur Wentworth STILL wants to marry her. And it makes the contrast between her family and Wentworth even greater as well, which makes him seem like an even better guy.
Anne's one regret is the fact that she doesn't have any family members that would welcome him and treat him with as much respect and welcome that she had received from his brother's and sister's. And i agree with Amelia that it does make him a greater guy to still accept her even though he knows how her family is. But i also think the fact that she regrets that at the end of the novel shows alot about how much family has impacted or negatively impacts her life even to the very end and somehow there's nothing she can do about it no matter how hard she tries or has tried.
i would wager a thesis on the novel which is something like "friends become more important than family". how does anne's regret relate to this?
I can see how friends are seen as more important because of characters like Mrs. Smith; which contrast with vain family members, like her sister Elizabeth. Anne's regret relates to the thesis of friends being more important than family because initially, it was her friends, Lady Russell, and family (her father and Elizabeth) who prevented her from marrying Wentworth. However, 8 years later her friends (lady Russell) have accepted Wentworth, however, "Elizabeth did nothing worse than look cold and unconcerned," which means her family is still disrespectful to Wentworth. This shows that her friends put Anne’s happiness before anything while her family chooses “propriety” over anything. Thus, illustrating the importance of friends over family in Anne’s circumstances.
Anne's one regret at the end of the novel is that she has no friends or family to add to Captain Wentworth's list of family. This seems silly but at the time I guess it's something that people worry about. I think Austen says something by mentioning human connections rather than the monetary ability of Anne. Because Anne cares only about the fact that she has less human connections than Captain Wenworth has and that her family is less welcoming than his family is rather than the fact that Captain Wentworth has more money than she does. This shows that Austen values friendship and family and the people that are around you much more than money and who is richer or has a higher status than whom.
As Erin said, friends seem to be far more important than family in this novel. Anne is born into her family; there is nothing she can do to cut those ties. Therefore, she must feel the shame of their actions quite keenly, since she is irrevocably tied to them. Her friends, she is able to choose, and choose well. Mrs. Smith, despite her poverty, is more valuable to Anne than her entire family.
At the end of the novel, Anne is forced to compare her own family with Wentworth's, and finds her own family sorely lacking. That is her regret, that she could not pick her own family members.
I believe that ties can be drawn, also, between her family's social and economic standing and their personalities. They are rich and well-regarded, but mean-spirited and foolish. Austen is saying something about wealth of money and wealth of spirit, and their independence from each other.
Anne's biggest regret is not being able to offer a welcoming family to Wentworth. Like what Amelia said, this situation characterizes Wentworth as a more respectable character because it just shows that he still loves Anne through everything. In this case, friends do become more important than family because they can offer more than what family can. Family can offer one unconditional love, but often the parents teach their children the wrong things in life, and it takes a friend or someone not part of the family in order to correct them, just like what Mrs Smith & Lady Russell did
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